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. >>> critics call grover norquist the single biggest impediment to a budget deal. you might think he'd be lying low as some of his allies passed a $666 billion tax increase, but bruce leshan reports norquist is keeping anything but quiet. >> no. i'm disappointed that we weren't able to continue all of the 2001, 2003 tax cuts. >> reporter: grover norquist's days are filled with media interviews and he's putting his best spin on the first republican vote to raise taxes in 22 years. >> they were scheduled to go higher if congress hadn't acted. they were scheduled to go higher on everybody. >> reporter: 238 members of the house and 41 senators have signed norquist's pledge never to raise tax rates on anyone and he insists the new year's day vote did not break that promise. >> so on december 31st they would have broken the pledge. at the stroke of midnight they're no longer breaking the pledge. >> no. there was no vote they could cast that would stop. it so the republicans are livid, unhappy, grumpy about that and i think we'll spend the next two years focused on the ob
. >>> critics call grover norquist the single biggest impediment to a budget deal. you might think he'd be lying low as some of his allies passed a $666 billion tax increase, but bruce leshan reports norquist is keeping anything but quiet. >> no. i'm disappointed that we weren't able to continue all of the 2001, 2003 tax cuts. >> reporter: grover norquist's days are filled with media interviews and he's putting his best spin on the first republican vote to raise taxes in 22...
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a lot of members, too, signed the no tax pledge that many of you know grover norquist pushed around and used as a threat. you better sign the no tax pledge. my radio show launched yesterday and i had grover on because he said it was a win for republicans. though it was a tax increase it wasn't violation of the pledge. listen. >> la of the of these guys signed your penal. how did you lose the guys? they broke your pledge? >> that is what the president is trying to get them to say to vote for tax increase in future. >> it's crystal clear now that republicans can't all be trusted not to raise taxes. i don't see how you tell a guy that his taxes around higher. >> you can't. go to andrea tantaros at twitter. >> bob: fox news alert. november unemployment figure, revised 215. obama recovery is working. one more thing, congratulate speaker john boehner because i think he did show courage in this. republicans are jumping on the guy. tough job to be a speaker. i showed him to be a leader. i give him credit. that will probably hurt him. >> eric: that was two one more things. we usually don't do th
a lot of members, too, signed the no tax pledge that many of you know grover norquist pushed around and used as a threat. you better sign the no tax pledge. my radio show launched yesterday and i had grover on because he said it was a win for republicans. though it was a tax increase it wasn't violation of the pledge. listen. >> la of the of these guys signed your penal. how did you lose the guys? they broke your pledge? >> that is what the president is trying to get them to say to...
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the truth is, and grover norquist has said this, sort of the high priest of republican economics and the tea party, they want to starve the government. they want to shred the social safety net. they lost the last election. they lost the last century. they'd like to repeal much of the new deal, much of the great society, get rid of hk reform. but secondly, the hypocrisy, and jared is right about this, is extraordinary. where did most of this debt come from? it came from bush's two unfunded wars, from an unfunded medicare prescription drug benefit, from the decision that -- the set of decisions that led to the bush economic collapse in 2008. if you put all that together, that's responsible for most of this debt. and by the way, the people who are now talking about spending cuts and we really have to reduce the size of government were the folks who brought us all that. >> but are you saying that as a political matter they're aware of the concern that exists among their constituents, people who call a talk radio program like mine, and they are using that as a subterfuge to get to what th
the truth is, and grover norquist has said this, sort of the high priest of republican economics and the tea party, they want to starve the government. they want to shred the social safety net. they lost the last election. they lost the last century. they'd like to repeal much of the new deal, much of the great society, get rid of hk reform. but secondly, the hypocrisy, and jared is right about this, is extraordinary. where did most of this debt come from? it came from bush's two unfunded wars,...
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norquist pledge. he could be a real blueprint as to whether anything is going to get done in this congress and why he voted for eric cantor. plus, we're going to talk about in maryland, wolf, we've been talking a lot about mental health in relation to gun policy in this country. and in maryland, a panelist has come forth with a panel of recommendations that say, if you make a threat against somebody, a threat against their lives or makes them feel afraid, that if you have a gun, law enforcement could come and seize all of your firearms. is that fair or is that a violation of the second amendment? that's coming up, top of the hour. >> it's a good, intriguing question. i'll be watching, erin. thanks very much. sounds like an excellent show at the top of the hour. >>> other news we're following including a taliban commander who is killed in a suspected drone strike. kate's been monitoring that, some of the other top stories in "the situation room." what happened? >> this all happened in pakistan's volati
norquist pledge. he could be a real blueprint as to whether anything is going to get done in this congress and why he voted for eric cantor. plus, we're going to talk about in maryland, wolf, we've been talking a lot about mental health in relation to gun policy in this country. and in maryland, a panelist has come forth with a panel of recommendations that say, if you make a threat against somebody, a threat against their lives or makes them feel afraid, that if you have a gun, law enforcement...
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i actually agree with grover norquist on this. that particular leverage is gone and is not going to be reemerging any time soon. and i think also there are a lot more votes for that deal if we needed them. once you had 170 democrats, why would you need a huge number of republicans? there were plenty of people saying if you need me, i'll be there. frankly, if you have don't, i won't. and that's fair enough. both sides do that on a tough vote. so i think the speaker remains very strong in the conference, i think you'll see that today. and honestly we're now going to fight going forward on terrain that unifies republicans that, is cutting spending and reforming entitlements as opposed to things that divide us. >> more than a few pundits have argued on both sides of the aisle that they agree with you that the speaker is very strong within his conference and yet the fact remains this was the least effective congress that we've seen since record were kept. so what good does it do if you're okay within your conference but you're not gett
i actually agree with grover norquist on this. that particular leverage is gone and is not going to be reemerging any time soon. and i think also there are a lot more votes for that deal if we needed them. once you had 170 democrats, why would you need a huge number of republicans? there were plenty of people saying if you need me, i'll be there. frankly, if you have don't, i won't. and that's fair enough. both sides do that on a tough vote. so i think the speaker remains very strong in the...
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norquist the leader in the anti-tax movement has said that this isn't a tax increase. you're correct, that there are schisms within the gop that did not exist before but that's what a new congress does. and if the focus turns from tax policy to spending i think that you'll find that the republicans will unite. >> yeah, but i think part of the criticism as you know frank, is that here's a republican party that agreed to tax cuts but got no spending cuts and no entitlement reform out of this president, that it wasn't a great deal after all. >> and that's -- and the american people would agree with that. norah, you're correct. and so they're going to come back at this with the debt ceiling and with the budget over the next two and three months and it's going to be up to the president to prove, to demonstrate to the american people that he is serious that this deficit cannot be solved just by take increases, that in the end you've got to get entitlement programs under control and you've got to plan for the future. that's also part of this vote on sandy. you can't spend --
norquist the leader in the anti-tax movement has said that this isn't a tax increase. you're correct, that there are schisms within the gop that did not exist before but that's what a new congress does. and if the focus turns from tax policy to spending i think that you'll find that the republicans will unite. >> yeah, but i think part of the criticism as you know frank, is that here's a republican party that agreed to tax cuts but got no spending cuts and no entitlement reform out of...
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i don't care what grover norquist says no they didn't vote for a race. yes, they did. >> for the first time since 1990 republicans have agreed to raise taxes. so yes that is a huge deal. but are we going to be looking at democrats having to make major cuts. >> stephanie: right. yep. >> and the question people have to ask is what is more important, raising taxes on the wealthy? or cutting government spending? well, i think we're going to end up having both and my point is -- i think president obama could have gotten -- raising taxes on the wealthy. i think that's a pretty compelling argument and he could have gotten that without having to agree to cutting government spending. >> stephanie: uh-huh. david the hurricane sandy relief stuff, what i think is striking is that that laid bare as a lot of reasoning pointed out, that the republicans are in complete disarray, and it is things that didn't used to be a partisan issue, right? >> yeah, i think that's right. and the republican does not only have a leadership dysfunction, there are some that say the [ inau
i don't care what grover norquist says no they didn't vote for a race. yes, they did. >> for the first time since 1990 republicans have agreed to raise taxes. so yes that is a huge deal. but are we going to be looking at democrats having to make major cuts. >> stephanie: right. yep. >> and the question people have to ask is what is more important, raising taxes on the wealthy? or cutting government spending? well, i think we're going to end up having both and my point is -- i...
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. >> i want to hear from grover norquist because this logic is fantastic. passed by congress that raises taxes for the higher earners, extends tax cuts for many americans. the president reviewed a copy of the bill while vacationing in hawaii before directing it to be signed via auto pen. that's the signature machine that the presidents sometimes use while away from washington, far from a bipartisan public signing ceremony. look at this. >> it was special. he wanted to capture it. it was special. >> back at the capitol -- >> in wisconsin they were thinking about signing civil rights legislation with his hands, then decided use the auto pen. looks better for the history books. >> on the jetsons. >> there are several major issues -- >> rosie, by the way. >> -- awaiting the president's return including the impending fight over the debt ceiling. >> it's going to be ugly. >> meanwhile, grover norquist sat down with andrea mitchell yesterday where he insisted that republicans who backed the fiscal cliff deal did not, in fact, vote to increase taxes. >> no republic
. >> i want to hear from grover norquist because this logic is fantastic. passed by congress that raises taxes for the higher earners, extends tax cuts for many americans. the president reviewed a copy of the bill while vacationing in hawaii before directing it to be signed via auto pen. that's the signature machine that the presidents sometimes use while away from washington, far from a bipartisan public signing ceremony. look at this. >> it was special. he wanted to capture it. it...
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they had the blessings of grover norquist that this was not -- what you see is not really a tax increase. they didn't have to worry about their pledges. but it was really about their next election. >> bill: it really comes down to a question of priorities, doesn't it? >> it is more than priorities, bill. it is -- it is fundamental. what are you here for? what are you here for? are you here to just guarantee that you're re-elected? and take cautious votes because you want to make sure that you're protecting your personal flank or are you interested in the american people's flank? >> bill: well here's the question then. that's not true of all republicans but it seems -- it is certainly true of those who are driving the train right now in that republican caucus. given that and that those districts, where they came from are unlikely to change, is it even possible to govern these days? >> i think we have to govern. we don't have a choice. but it makes it that much more difficult because this fiasco we've just gone through is going to be repeated. we're going to lurch forward from one crisis t
they had the blessings of grover norquist that this was not -- what you see is not really a tax increase. they didn't have to worry about their pledges. but it was really about their next election. >> bill: it really comes down to a question of priorities, doesn't it? >> it is more than priorities, bill. it is -- it is fundamental. what are you here for? what are you here for? are you here to just guarantee that you're re-elected? and take cautious votes because you want to make...
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. >> the debate in washington continues over the fallout from the deal, grover norquist sat down with andrea mitchell yesterday on the "andrea mitchell reports" and insisted that republicans who back the fiscal cliff deal did not vote to raise taxes. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened was obama had this sort of ax over the heads of the american people with a $5 trillion tax increase over the next decade. the republicans are clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president is not taking them away from some people. that will hurt the economy. he got his tax increase. but he can't claim republican fingerprints on his tax increase. >> wait a second. i mean we're not living in the alice in wonder land world here. there is a tax increase for wealthier americans. it's literally a tax increase. >> well -- rates are up. >> what happened yesterday was that all the tax rates went up and then the republicans and congress together took them down for some people, not for everybody. >> so d.c. is still mixed on the new law but wall street seems to love it. the
. >> the debate in washington continues over the fallout from the deal, grover norquist sat down with andrea mitchell yesterday on the "andrea mitchell reports" and insisted that republicans who back the fiscal cliff deal did not vote to raise taxes. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened was obama had this sort of ax over the heads of the american people with a $5 trillion tax increase over the next decade. the republicans are clear. they want the tax...
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does grover norquist have any credibility left at this point? is he a guy that can twist arms and threaten people and still be effective the way he has been in the past? >> no. let's be very clear what this little tour from grover norquist is about. this is a cry for relevance. that is the only thing we should be seeing in what he is saying. he is trying to prove that he is still relevant. remember, three weeks ago he was singing a dramatically different tune. now he's got even as andrea mitchell pointed out, some kind of alice in wonderland fantasy land about how voting to increase is really voting to decrease. it just doesn't hold water anymore. part of the power of grover norquist is his close relationship with karl rove. karl rove has also been crippled over the past year in the process. so the two of them are not so scary anymore. >> what i found absent from his conversation today was 39.6%. why wasn't he saying this is going to be a job killer? why wasn't he saying -- >> right. >> -- he can't raise taxes on the job creators? it's like he's
does grover norquist have any credibility left at this point? is he a guy that can twist arms and threaten people and still be effective the way he has been in the past? >> no. let's be very clear what this little tour from grover norquist is about. this is a cry for relevance. that is the only thing we should be seeing in what he is saying. he is trying to prove that he is still relevant. remember, three weeks ago he was singing a dramatically different tune. now he's got even as andrea...
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grover norquist gave his blessing to the deal and justified it by saying republicans didn't technically raise taxes since the bush tax cuts expired on january 1st. he was on with our andrea mitchell today. look at what he had to say. >> no republican voted for tax increase. what happened was obama had the damocles over the people with the tax increase over the next decade that would happen automatically. the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president insisted on taking them away from some people. that'll hurt the economy. he got his tax increase, but he can't claim republican fingerprints on his tax increase. >> well, wait a second. i mean, we're not living in the alice in wonderland world here. there is a tax increase for wealthier americans. it's literally a tax increase. >> well, first of all -- >> rates are up. >> what happened yesterday was all the tax rates went up and then the republicans and congress together took them down for some people, not for everybody. >> steven, does that pass the smell test? if i were to run against a republ
grover norquist gave his blessing to the deal and justified it by saying republicans didn't technically raise taxes since the bush tax cuts expired on january 1st. he was on with our andrea mitchell today. look at what he had to say. >> no republican voted for tax increase. what happened was obama had the damocles over the people with the tax increase over the next decade that would happen automatically. the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the...
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grover norquist thinks he got a great deal. he's using the 84%--it's 99% of people and 84% of tax revenue. >> keep in mind how many of a treat this is for the modern democratic party. the democrats have spent 12 years attacking the 2001-2003 bush tax cuts. they all voted against it. obama attacked it regularly. now they're out there helping to preserve that 84% of those tax cuts. and making them permanent. >> there you go. unfortunately, he's totally right. what happened? how did president obama get all these democrats oh those goddamn bush cuts. yes, we retained 99% of the bush tax cuts, and for 84% of the revenue, yes, president obama what a great job. no that is a terrible job. norquist goes further and this is the main guy whose whole point is keeping tax cuts for the rich. good night. when the dems wake up, they'll wake up and realize they made the tax cuts permanent and lost their leverage for the next four years. i'm not the only one who thinks we lost leverage. we talked to pete defauzio today. >> the democrats lost the
grover norquist thinks he got a great deal. he's using the 84%--it's 99% of people and 84% of tax revenue. >> keep in mind how many of a treat this is for the modern democratic party. the democrats have spent 12 years attacking the 2001-2003 bush tax cuts. they all voted against it. obama attacked it regularly. now they're out there helping to preserve that 84% of those tax cuts. and making them permanent. >> there you go. unfortunately, he's totally right. what happened? how did...
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we are talking with grover norquist. i want to give back to republicans look as if they are absolutely 151 voting against the legislation recommended to them by the speaker. that is without question -- the empirical evidence is complete and finite. that is a division of an order that no one could have contempled the republican party. so where do we go with the debt iling? >> sure. when we have the debt ceiling, the speaker and mitch mcconnell of the senate have both reiterated. if the president wants an increase in the debt ceiling of a trillion dollars as he's going to need every year of the second term, he's going to have to agree to a trillion dollars of ending cuts. this is exactly what happened in 2011 and of the establishment media said the world would end and we have to have tax increases instead of sending restraint. that's not what happened. obama caved, give us the spending restraints. the next fight is one, the republicans have more of an upper hand. lou: it will be interesting to watch and see how that plays
we are talking with grover norquist. i want to give back to republicans look as if they are absolutely 151 voting against the legislation recommended to them by the speaker. that is without question -- the empirical evidence is complete and finite. that is a division of an order that no one could have contempled the republican party. so where do we go with the debt iling? >> sure. when we have the debt ceiling, the speaker and mitch mcconnell of the senate have both reiterated. if the...
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i mean grover norquist is braggin the you know nobody voted to raise taxes he's disagreeing with you and you know in. the big picture here i mean if the political climate that republicans had this wasn't a deal that mean it was made back in this was something that was a lot of contention on the right among this republicans didn't make out very well and i think i think you guys are crying crocodile tears because you know that you know a obama gave away massive tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires and transnational corporations goldman sachs got their one point six billion dollars had anything away at this process the whole at every step of the way he was on willing to work in the public and not only as it is and he keeps saying that republicans were the ones on one to compromise he was consistently the. one willing to compromise on the tax cut of over you know people making two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year i mean it's the whole entire thing is really ridiculous and it's the same republicans for the estate tax at midnight december thirty first it's a tax when to fifty fiv
i mean grover norquist is braggin the you know nobody voted to raise taxes he's disagreeing with you and you know in. the big picture here i mean if the political climate that republicans had this wasn't a deal that mean it was made back in this was something that was a lot of contention on the right among this republicans didn't make out very well and i think i think you guys are crying crocodile tears because you know that you know a obama gave away massive tax cuts to millionaires and...
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so when the deal was approved ton the 1st, well, listen to anti-tax activist, grover norquist. >> so we're not raising taxes, we're actually cutting taxes. >> you're saying because the bush tax cuts have expired yesterday? >> yes. >> and what about the democrats? vice president joe biden is very much back in the conversation for 2016, after a shout-out from the president. >> i want to thank all of the leaders of the house and senate. in particular, i want to thank the work that was done by my extraordinary vice president, joe biden. >> reporter: but there's one problem, the fiscal mess that is so big, even deficit hawk, alan simpson, did the gangnam style to call attention to it, hasn't gone anywhere. >> let me just say that if this is a problem that we haven't dealt with before the next presidential election, 2016, nobody should want or have that job, because the country will be in such bad shape. >> so the fiscal cliff was just a preview of coming attractions. votes on the debt ceiling and those spending cuts in the fiscal cliff are just around the corner. and they could, potential
so when the deal was approved ton the 1st, well, listen to anti-tax activist, grover norquist. >> so we're not raising taxes, we're actually cutting taxes. >> you're saying because the bush tax cuts have expired yesterday? >> yes. >> and what about the democrats? vice president joe biden is very much back in the conversation for 2016, after a shout-out from the president. >> i want to thank all of the leaders of the house and senate. in particular, i want to thank...
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we have grover norquist who said republicans did not violate his pledge and he stood up for those who voted again. let's take a listen. >> it's 157 voted against the deal. were they against cutting taxes for almost everybody? no. they wanted to cut taxes for everybody. they are mad there was no spending restraint and taxes went up. >> while vote are for the measure, they voted against the anti-tax orthodox for the first time in decades. did this deepen the party's ideological divide? >> there is clearly a civil war going on in the republican party in terms of personalities and you saw between boehner and kantor and others. in terms of the policies. they have not come to terms with the fact that you are talking about solving the big problems and the debt and the deficits and you have to have revenue on the table. this is the dilemma they face. until they get that under control, you are continuing to see this divide to define who they are. >> i mentioned that we saw this flit and speaker boehner who voted in favor of the bill. it was brave for the speaker to vote on the bill? in the 15
we have grover norquist who said republicans did not violate his pledge and he stood up for those who voted again. let's take a listen. >> it's 157 voted against the deal. were they against cutting taxes for almost everybody? no. they wanted to cut taxes for everybody. they are mad there was no spending restraint and taxes went up. >> while vote are for the measure, they voted against the anti-tax orthodox for the first time in decades. did this deepen the party's ideological...
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the tax man is here, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, joining us now. thank you very much. happy new year. >> happy new year. >> why were you in favor of this? it's the first tax increase republicans have voted for in 20 years. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened is obama had the demaclese over the american people, unless the house senate and president voted on something. >> the bush tax cuts had set to expire. >> they were set to expire two years ago and obama extended them for two years without change for everybody, for himself and everyone else. then he said he was worried about the economy and he didn't want to kill jobs. now that his job was safely protected, he's less understood what happened to the economy, the tax increases that he insisted on, all the republicans in the house and the senate who voted more than once to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody permanently, so the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president insisted on taking them away from some people. that will hurt
the tax man is here, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, joining us now. thank you very much. happy new year. >> happy new year. >> why were you in favor of this? it's the first tax increase republicans have voted for in 20 years. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened is obama had the demaclese over the american people, unless the house senate and president voted on something. >> the bush tax cuts had set to expire. >> they...
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., grover norquist tried to keep his infamous pledge from going obsolete, tweeting "the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every "r" voting for senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge." sorry, grover, the impact of the bill is absolutely a tax hike. supporting it was not unanimous, all but five republicans and three democrats in the senate voted for it, but it was much closer in the house. 151 republicans, more than half of the gop members, voted no, including majority leader eric cantor and republican whip kevin mccarthy. at the end of the day, enough lawmakers across the aisle agreed to the deal, but at a cost of extremely strained relationships. politico reports on an encounter between speaker boehner and harry reid in the white house lobby. go [ bleep ] yourself, boehner sniped, as he pointed his finger at reid, according to multiple sources present. speaker boehner refused to bring forward a bill funding emergency aid for victims of superstorm sandy. this is how republican peter king responded this morning. >> john boehner has been personally helpful
., grover norquist tried to keep his infamous pledge from going obsolete, tweeting "the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every "r" voting for senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge." sorry, grover, the impact of the bill is absolutely a tax hike. supporting it was not unanimous, all but five republicans and three democrats in the senate voted for it, but it was much closer in the house. 151 republicans, more than half of the gop members, voted...
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. >> grover norquist had this tweet where he essentially said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight, every r voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge. democrats were vehemently against all these tax cuts because they raise the deficit. these will raise the deficit by about $4 trillion. are you worried last night the deal added too much to the deficit? how come democrats have basically embraced these bush tax cuts from about a decade ago? >> let's look at what the reason was the democrats opposed those 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. it's because they weren't paid for. they blew a massive hole in the deficit, along with the two wars that weren't paid for and the medicare part d drug plan, which was a good thing but was not paid for. we need to go back to pay as you go rules. the republicans when they came in and took the majority back got rid of that requirement. we're for responsible tax cuts that help the middle class. we're not for and neither were the american people as they said in this election when they voted for president obama's reelection, were not for giving
. >> grover norquist had this tweet where he essentially said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight, every r voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge. democrats were vehemently against all these tax cuts because they raise the deficit. these will raise the deficit by about $4 trillion. are you worried last night the deal added too much to the deficit? how come democrats have basically embraced these bush tax cuts from about a decade ago? >> let's look at...
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and grover norquist, is he backing down from his no-tax pledge? is he hedging? find out, ten o'clock this morning. go to our facebook page, tell us what you think about the deal that we've got, you're happy with it. if you are, we want to know why. we'll read some of your comments on the air. tell us why we want that in there. the markets, they've got their answer on the fiscal cliff, a deal has been done, the result is yes, it is a rally. we're going to see a big gain for the dow. it's going to be big. the opening bell for this brand new year is next. night ♪ >> surely you recognize that music, don't you? that's played on the bah zuki? why are we playing that? because america looks a whole lot like greece in morning. why? we've got a fiscal cliff deal. all it does is raise taxes. it doesn't cut spending, it doesn't do anything about the debt that we and europe and greece are facing. nothing at all. america's fundamental spending and massive debt has gone completely unaddressed. not there. that's why we're playing greek music as we start out this trading sessi
and grover norquist, is he backing down from his no-tax pledge? is he hedging? find out, ten o'clock this morning. go to our facebook page, tell us what you think about the deal that we've got, you're happy with it. if you are, we want to know why. we'll read some of your comments on the air. tell us why we want that in there. the markets, they've got their answer on the fiscal cliff, a deal has been done, the result is yes, it is a rally. we're going to see a big gain for the dow. it's going...
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grover norquist. we had an election and boehner was elected speaker now lame duck obama should get over it. >> okay, a boehner hasn't been -- boehner hasn't been elected to anything yet because there's going to be a fight between him and eric cantor coming up. >> stephanie: crazy cowboy, eric eric cantor. >> okay corral. and it won't be okay for you. it will be super okay for me because i moisturize. >> stephanie: oh, boehner boehner. ♪ ♪ i am just an orange boy ♪ ♪ i have squandered my influence for a pocketful of tax cuts for the filthy rich ♪ ♪ my eyes get wet still a man cries when he thinks about which fabric is the best ♪ ♪ on the house floor stands the boehner and he's whining constantly ♪ ♪ and the fiscal cliff reminds him of every vote that let him down ♪ ♪ as he cried out in his anger and his shame ♪ ♪ i'm weeping i am weeping but he still remains ♪ ♪ crying eyes ♪ ♪ crying eyes ♪ >> yea! rocky mountain mike. >> stephanie: rocky mountain mike never on va
grover norquist. we had an election and boehner was elected speaker now lame duck obama should get over it. >> okay, a boehner hasn't been -- boehner hasn't been elected to anything yet because there's going to be a fight between him and eric cantor coming up. >> stephanie: crazy cowboy, eric eric cantor. >> okay corral. and it won't be okay for you. it will be super okay for me because i moisturize. >> stephanie: oh, boehner boehner. ♪ ♪ i am just an orange boy ♪...
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if grover norquist was here, he would say the greatest thing we're able to promise people is no further tax rises. it was the major mistake that bush sr. made when he said read my lips, no new taxes and then broke that pledge. what will you then say at the next election when this issue comes up? >> again, i think i held taxes down to 99% of the people. if it went over the cliff, we would have had to deal with it and then had a tax cut. i think just plain in terms of terminology with each other, but the bottom line, 99% of americans are going to get a tax cut. $730 billion. again, wasn't exactly the way i'd like to see it go down because i'd like to see a spending aspect of it. 49 out of 50 governors, that's what i'm going to push for, but we'll have that spending battle, which is the real issue going forward, but we did bring certainty to some of the tax code. i know a lot of small business people are excited about that. >> it is the real issue, congressman, and it could be the more vitriolic battle on capitol hill. do you feel by siding with the democrats this time around that somehow,
if grover norquist was here, he would say the greatest thing we're able to promise people is no further tax rises. it was the major mistake that bush sr. made when he said read my lips, no new taxes and then broke that pledge. what will you then say at the next election when this issue comes up? >> again, i think i held taxes down to 99% of the people. if it went over the cliff, we would have had to deal with it and then had a tax cut. i think just plain in terms of terminology with each...
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grover norquist, republican lobbiest grover norquist even said the senate deal was an okay deal. he would vote for it if he were a senator, he said because republicans should still be part of it because -- this is a spin on his part because 84% of the bush tax cuts were still in place. and yet those tea party house reasoning wouldn't go along with grover norquist. we catholics say there is a problem when you are holier than the pope. well, that's the case with these house republicans. i don't know. congress is so broken i don't know how we can fix it other than in 2014 target every one of these tea party republicans with a even a responsible republican and throw out this congress. their goal is to destroy this country. arthur delaney will join us when we come back. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ every day presents another exciting issue. from financial regulation, iran getting a nuclear bomb, civil war in syria, fraud on wall street, destruction of medicare and medicaid. there are real issues here. having been a governor, i know that trade-offs are tough. things
grover norquist, republican lobbiest grover norquist even said the senate deal was an okay deal. he would vote for it if he were a senator, he said because republicans should still be part of it because -- this is a spin on his part because 84% of the bush tax cuts were still in place. and yet those tea party house reasoning wouldn't go along with grover norquist. we catholics say there is a problem when you are holier than the pope. well, that's the case with these house republicans. i don't...
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it doesn't surprise me grover norquist gave ground cover to what some of the house republicans did. it doesn't surprise me that the administration, the vice president, the president did the easy thing. the only thing i think is going to be surprising is how much of a battle that probably gets best record in 6-8 weeks regarding the debt ceiling. there has to be some type of an end game for sanity. i think everything that's happened thus far doesn't surprise me. i guess the most surprising thing i've seen in the last week is why new york fired the general manager instead of the coach. watching politicians all slap each other on the back while the country slips into a grecian like formula isn't surprising. >> are you surprised the market so far in looking at the futures has taken such a positive outlook on this? >> i don't know. to me, the fair value adjustments in the opening is far from a cohuge move in my opinion. here we are a move in the fixed income markets because of the move in stocks. i caution everybody to wait until the close because i think some of the intraday outside nois
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grover norquist johns us now. you said the voting for this deal, which increases taxes on households earning more than 450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers make to their constituents. help our viewers understand that. lawmakers who sign that pledge promised to oppose any effort increase tax rates for individuals, for businesses. howe does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge. >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand why a lot of republicans have said, look, even though what's happening is the tax cuts disappear and we're restoring them for for most people, so we're not raising taxes, we're actually cutting taxes. >> you say because the bush tax cuts have expired yesterday. >> yes. >> so technically they are still tax cuts. >> correct. i understand and i understand if you're a congressman or senator, you've got to convince not me that you haven't violated the pledge, you have to convince your constituents. and they need to be able to say with a straight f
grover norquist johns us now. you said the voting for this deal, which increases taxes on households earning more than 450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers make to their constituents. help our viewers understand that. lawmakers who sign that pledge promised to oppose any effort increase tax rates for individuals, for businesses. howe does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge. >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand why a lot of...
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this individual grover norquist who has sponsored this pledge i'm going to read a tweet from grover norquist that we've just seen here. he said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every republican voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge. and richard we talked about this in the -- >> it just passed, just passed. no more time remaining, it now has passed the house with the senate amendment. >> okay and now we're heading well over, just caution, let's wait until the gavel comes down but strange things can happen. right, 220 -- it is heading north. appears that the deal is done. we'll move on to the next fight here. what i said was, richard, you and i, a lot of us talked over the course of the last several weeks, going over the cliff would make it more feasible for republicans to vote. because after all, after midnight they were not voting to raise taxes, they're voting to cut taxes. and after not violating the pledge of grover norquist and not violating their core believes and their core principles they did have some problems with the lack of spend
this individual grover norquist who has sponsored this pledge i'm going to read a tweet from grover norquist that we've just seen here. he said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every republican voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge. and richard we talked about this in the -- >> it just passed, just passed. no more time remaining, it now has passed the house with the senate amendment. >> okay and now we're heading well over, just...
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. >> bret: saying that grover norquist just tweeted out a message. of course, the legendary or depending on your point of view if you are a democrat infamous tax cutter and fights for tax cuts and against tax increases here in washington heads up a group that really keeps the fire on the feet of lawmakers here. he just tweeted out "the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every republican voting for senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge ." something that i think republicans were mentioning already. you can see that the time remaining there is at zero. and we are at 2:05 to 139. you can see the no votes there ticking down. the time can be extended for this vote and apparently there are a number of lawmakers who are waiting until the very end to cast their votes. again, we are are on the threshold here of passing the passage and i think we may have just made it at 2 214. charleston? >> while it is over. -- charles? >> the good news for all americans is that as of tomorrow we may never have to hear the word, phrase "fiscal c
. >> bret: saying that grover norquist just tweeted out a message. of course, the legendary or depending on your point of view if you are a democrat infamous tax cutter and fights for tax cuts and against tax increases here in washington heads up a group that really keeps the fire on the feet of lawmakers here. he just tweeted out "the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every republican voting for senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge ." something...
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i think grover norquist is trying to save face. grover norquist and others in the republican have had to give up something they said they would never give up. they're all sounding like compromiser all of a sudden. >> what what does this aabout the tea party then? >>. >> this was a decision by boehner to go around the right side of his party. >> there's certainly been a rebalancing after the election. >> thanks very much. ali will be back at 11:00 p.m. eastern. we're not going away. history unfolding on the floor of the house of representatives. much more after this. ♪ i wish my patients could see what i see. ♪ that over time, having high cholesterol and any of these risk factors can put them at increased risk for plaque buildup in their arteries. so it's even more important to lower their cholesterol, and that's why, when diet and exercise alone aren't enough, i prescribe crestor. in a clinical trial versus lipitor, crestor got more high-risk patients' bad cholesterol to a goal of under 100. [ female announcer ] crestor is not
i think grover norquist is trying to save face. grover norquist and others in the republican have had to give up something they said they would never give up. they're all sounding like compromiser all of a sudden. >> what what does this aabout the tea party then? >>. >> this was a decision by boehner to go around the right side of his party. >> there's certainly been a rebalancing after the election. >> thanks very much. ali will be back at 11:00 p.m. eastern....
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grover norquist has absolved them and said voting for this today is not voting for a tax increase of any time, even though you're restoring some of the top rates. i think they'll get pretty fwar that argument. they're going to need to deliver some more in 2013. it's going to be difficult. again, they're convinced that when we come back to the debt limit increase, that we're going to have another discussion of entitlement reform. well, they have given up and lost a couple of big chances for entitlement reform. the best scenario they probably have had so far in the obama presidency was that summer in 2011 where the white house was surprised at every turn how far they were willing to go on demands with the debt limit. they didn't get entitlement reform then. they didn't get the super committee. they're not looking at a slightly smaller republican house majority and a slightly larger democratic senate majority cobbling some sort of entitlement reform coalition there in just two months. and i think they're going to have to -- there are going to be a lot of republicans telling their primar
grover norquist has absolved them and said voting for this today is not voting for a tax increase of any time, even though you're restoring some of the top rates. i think they'll get pretty fwar that argument. they're going to need to deliver some more in 2013. it's going to be difficult. again, they're convinced that when we come back to the debt limit increase, that we're going to have another discussion of entitlement reform. well, they have given up and lost a couple of big chances for...
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grover norquist joins us now. so you said that voting for this deal which increases taxes on house holds earning more than $450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers made to their constituents. help our viewers understand that because lawmakers who signed that pledge they vow to oppose any increasing of tax rates for individuals for businesses. how does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge? >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand why a lot of republicans had said, look, even though what's happening is the tax cuts disappear and we're restoring them for most people, so we're not raising taxes, we're actually cutting taxes -- >> you're saying because the bush tax cuts have expired yesterday. >> yes. >> so basically they expired yesterday, so technically these are still tax cuts? >> correct. i understand, and i understand if you're a congressman or senator you've got to go out and convince not me that you've technically not violated the pledge, you have to conv
grover norquist joins us now. so you said that voting for this deal which increases taxes on house holds earning more than $450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers made to their constituents. help our viewers understand that because lawmakers who signed that pledge they vow to oppose any increasing of tax rates for individuals for businesses. how does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge? >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand...
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watch grover norquist as people go to work here. let's listen. >> well, i'm going to ask a question to everyone on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal. 10-1 as byron said. spenting cuts to tax increases. speaker, you're already shaking your head. but who on this stage would walk away from that deal? would you raise your hand if you feel so strongly about not raising taxes you'd walk away on the 10-1 deal. >> whoa. joining me now is review that list of greatness and other highlights and lowlights of the primary season michael steele who never had a year like this. who was always a success over there. and howard fineman. that was a scene -- you come from the roots of the republican party, sir. is that a good day or a bad day for the republicans? >> i think it was a bad day. and i thought it was interesting that later on that huntsman said, you know, i probably should have raised my hand and said i would have taken the 10-1 deal. i think he recognized after the fact that was a definitive moment where he could have
watch grover norquist as people go to work here. let's listen. >> well, i'm going to ask a question to everyone on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal. 10-1 as byron said. spenting cuts to tax increases. speaker, you're already shaking your head. but who on this stage would walk away from that deal? would you raise your hand if you feel so strongly about not raising taxes you'd walk away on the 10-1 deal. >> whoa. joining me now is review that list of greatness...
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grover norquist, who is the person who gave these guys this pledge, gave cover not only to this plan but gave cover to john boehner's last plan, plan b. he is saying get away from this poisonous income tax rate discussion and then the democrats have no excuse but to focus on the spending and the entitlement issue. he gave effort. so where does the bloodymindedness come from that says i'm not even going to pay attention to that, i'm going to dig in my heels. my guess is when you see the names of the people who have decided to step up against this, these are people who want more elected positions, they want greater positions of power, they are the paul ryans, eric cantors, marco rubios of florida. no one is prepared to put the country in front of their own political interests tonight. >> that is exactly right. look, it's worth noting that among the republicans in the senate who voted against this amendment to avoid going over the cliff, two were people widely believed to be running for president in 2016. marco rubio and rand paul. that's not an accident. that's a political calculation.
grover norquist, who is the person who gave these guys this pledge, gave cover not only to this plan but gave cover to john boehner's last plan, plan b. he is saying get away from this poisonous income tax rate discussion and then the democrats have no excuse but to focus on the spending and the entitlement issue. he gave effort. so where does the bloodymindedness come from that says i'm not even going to pay attention to that, i'm going to dig in my heels. my guess is when you see the names of...
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and the pledge is slowly, not completely -- >> grover norquist. >> grover norquist anti-tax pledge which is no way to run a business, no way to run a government. revenues are important if you understand a balance sheet. that thing has haunted us for a long time. >> krystal ball, the biggest loser. >> mine has helped in part helped rupert murdoch which is karl rove. many people thought even if they didn't like him, he was very smart. he exposed himself to not be very smart on election night on the other network. >> we only have two people left who might please me by choosing donald trump. let's see what happens. your biggest loser of 2012? >> donald trump. it's not, it's not. >> correct! you get the ipad. >> i hate to disappoint you. it's sheldon adelson. >> yes. >> and the house lost big. >> that was great. >> steve kornacki, the biggest. >> i want an ipad, but my biggest loser is the name that was for generations the gold standard in public opinion polling. gallup. and for all of october right up to election day said romney has an advantage and is going to win this race. they had about
and the pledge is slowly, not completely -- >> grover norquist. >> grover norquist anti-tax pledge which is no way to run a business, no way to run a government. revenues are important if you understand a balance sheet. that thing has haunted us for a long time. >> krystal ball, the biggest loser. >> mine has helped in part helped rupert murdoch which is karl rove. many people thought even if they didn't like him, he was very smart. he exposed himself to not be very...
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but he's got a caucus that does not want to violate the grover norquist pledge. by the way, the debt is a serious problem. and that's why i think the president and many of us were disappointed once again that we didn't get a grand bargain. everything should be on the table. but at least this time there is an outcome that is possible, that will do no harm, and will allow us to continue this debate on how to right size government and get savings in some of our benefit programs. >> all right, congressman peter welch, thank you. it appears at least the ball has been moved a little bit down the field. thank you so much. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >>> well, forget the politics for a second. up next, find out what the breaking developments mean for the markets tomorrow. and your paycheck. that's right. your paycheck in the coming months. more breaking news continues. stay here. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replace
but he's got a caucus that does not want to violate the grover norquist pledge. by the way, the debt is a serious problem. and that's why i think the president and many of us were disappointed once again that we didn't get a grand bargain. everything should be on the table. but at least this time there is an outcome that is possible, that will do no harm, and will allow us to continue this debate on how to right size government and get savings in some of our benefit programs. >> all...
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i think we feel good, but the republicans are going to have to ask the question do they represent grover norquist or the tea party or do they represent the american people is this we will have to ask the question whether or not we will be ultimately held hostage on the debt ceiling toop or heinous spending cuts that will impact the most vulnerable of americans. what are the republicans' intentions? will they vote on this and work in a bipartisan manner in this as we move towards the question of lifting the debt ceiling? what i think speaker boehner will have to do in his mind, he will be looking to craft out how many votes that he will have leaning on democrats. maybe his first approach will be how many republicans he can have to pass it. they will begin be unhappy and not want to be clab rattive and want to be obstructionist. that will be his challenge as to whether or not he can lead a number of his members to make the decision to vote on what has been a strained negotiations and whether or not we can do it on behalf of the american people. >> congresswoman, thank you very much. i know
i think we feel good, but the republicans are going to have to ask the question do they represent grover norquist or the tea party or do they represent the american people is this we will have to ask the question whether or not we will be ultimately held hostage on the debt ceiling toop or heinous spending cuts that will impact the most vulnerable of americans. what are the republicans' intentions? will they vote on this and work in a bipartisan manner in this as we move towards the question of...
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grover norquist has said voting for this is not a tax increase because the taxes are technically higher right now and this would actually be a tax cut, so -- >> but didn't you think the whole thing was sort of a joke? i mean, when you parse that kind of stuff, oh, it's not really -- i mean, really? really? >> i know the republicans for decades have been burned whenever they've gone and raised taxes and they've been promised spending cuts and they never materialize. so, this is a very, very sore spot for republicans. they don't want to have to vote for a tax increase and then not get anything in return on the spending side, and we have not seen any real kind of offer from the president on spending. and i think that that's where the rubber's really going to hit the road in a couple months. >> jonathan collegeo and. >>> right now secretary of state hillary clinton is said to be in good spirits, resting comfortably in a new york hospital, undergoing treatment for a blood clot. doctors told us yesterday that that clot is located in a vein between her skull and her brain, just behind her righ
grover norquist has said voting for this is not a tax increase because the taxes are technically higher right now and this would actually be a tax cut, so -- >> but didn't you think the whole thing was sort of a joke? i mean, when you parse that kind of stuff, oh, it's not really -- i mean, really? really? >> i know the republicans for decades have been burned whenever they've gone and raised taxes and they've been promised spending cuts and they never materialize. so, this is a...
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here is a court -- quote from another player -- that is from culver norquist. -- grover norquist. he is suggesting that the gop's negotiating position in the fiscal debate is stronger than being reported. that is at grover norquist for you. others have weighed in as well -- as well. here is "the new york times" -- james in oklahoma, a democratic caller. what is your take? caller: my question is, who is running this country? is it the president, the congress, or is it the american people? the american people break the back to survive on a daily basis. congress does not have that problem. i may not get to eat just because to feed -- just to feed my kids. congress does not have that problem. they do not share the problems. they do not care about our problems. all as long as they get with it and what they got. thank you. host: alex in georgia, republican color. -- caller. caller: happy new year to everybody. i think it is a win, ironically, for republicans. i think anybody of any common- sense realizes -- i will even say you are going to say $300,000 and above, even for household, tha
here is a court -- quote from another player -- that is from culver norquist. -- grover norquist. he is suggesting that the gop's negotiating position in the fiscal debate is stronger than being reported. that is at grover norquist for you. others have weighed in as well -- as well. here is "the new york times" -- james in oklahoma, a democratic caller. what is your take? caller: my question is, who is running this country? is it the president, the congress, or is it the american...
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absolutely. >> and grover norquist seems to have approved this deal. approved plan b which a lot of republicans didn't support. he couldn't get it to a floor vote. said this is okay. guys like and you many like you across the country are in districts that are not competitive in the general election, they are competitive in the primary, so you have to tack to the side of your party. and that means that it makes it harder for guys like you to compromi compromise, you are keeping an open mind. given your general history, you wouldn't like this deal? >> you stated it perfectly. grover gorgeous kwis well respected. did i sign that pledge in 2002, and that was not just a pledge to grover norquist, u.s. a pledge to the constituents who voted for me over the other two guys, pretty good candidates as well. grover could say theoretically we've gone over the cliff. everyone's taxes have gone up, at least for 12 hours, and a vote would be a vote to lower taxes for everybody under $400,000, and i'm just not sure the people in the 11th of georgia will see it that wa
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and the fact of the matter is grover norquist, this just shows how little power grover has. grover is a friend and i like him. however remember with plan "b." he endorsed plan "b" and we shot it down. we had more than 50 republicans against that bill. grover norquist's power is really -- i mean it's just washington created. it's media created. >> you think it's over for grover? >> i'm not saying it's over for grover. he has a great pledge. he does great work. but to say that he's some sort of like magician behind the curtain is absolute fallacy. >> all right ron meyer, thanks for joining us this thorng. happy new year. >> you, too. >> some republicans we hear that the president has not been leading, he's been awol, where's the democratic leadership? he said president forced them into it and they were all celebrating in their offices last night. >> ron meyer sounds like a guy who actually got a lot of sleep last night. >> all right coming up on "early start," finally, closure, in the infamous case of pardon for civil rights activists 40 years in the making. you can watch us a
and the fact of the matter is grover norquist, this just shows how little power grover has. grover is a friend and i like him. however remember with plan "b." he endorsed plan "b" and we shot it down. we had more than 50 republicans against that bill. grover norquist's power is really -- i mean it's just washington created. it's media created. >> you think it's over for grover? >> i'm not saying it's over for grover. he has a great pledge. he does great work. but...
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i think it is quite telling that earlier this evening, last evening, grover norquist said he is for this bill, but our former secretary of labor bob reich is opposed. so maybe now, maybe now i guess we are all believers in trickledown economics. not i. i guess we redefine the middle class as those making $400,000 a year when, in fact, that represents the top 1% of income earners in america, not the middle class. so i guess that we now accept as normal practice in reaching bipartisan deals that the most vulnerable in our country like those who are out of work and who depend on unemployment benefits can be held hostage as a bargaining chip for more tax breaks for the richest among us. now, i'm not saying that everything in this deal is bad. there are some good parts of this, but i repeat i am concerned about this constant drift bit by bit, deal by deal toward more deficits, less job creation, more unfairness, less economic justice, a society where the gap grows wider between the few who have much and the many who have too little. so, mr. president, for these reasons, i must in conscience v
i think it is quite telling that earlier this evening, last evening, grover norquist said he is for this bill, but our former secretary of labor bob reich is opposed. so maybe now, maybe now i guess we are all believers in trickledown economics. not i. i guess we redefine the middle class as those making $400,000 a year when, in fact, that represents the top 1% of income earners in america, not the middle class. so i guess that we now accept as normal practice in reaching bipartisan deals that...